Reloading Question

[BK in Wisconsin]

The cool think about the 06' with 4831 BK, is you can purty much just fill the case right up to the top with powder....dont need no stinkin scoop or scale!!!

Ummmmm what's 4831?

[Quint]

IMR 4831. A slow burning smokless rifle powder.Very true. And it makes a medium pressure, very accurate and safe load with almost any weight bullet. It's been a 30-06 favorite for alot of years.(Also good in 35 Whelen.)

[Hornseeker]

And H 4831, which, Quint can correct me if I'm wrong, is slightly faster, but still a Great powder for the 06'... I am probably going to switch to 4831 SC so that my charger will throw it more accurrately... but I dont know....

I checked some measurement Quint... all seemed to be at spec or slightly below.. .my Abolt chamber must just be good and tight???? and maybe Cy's chamber is big and the fire forming through them out a little and this resize die isn't doing its job????

[Quint]

You are correct on all points. If you were to fire these loads in your A-Bolt and re-size them and reload them I think you would find that they would work fine in your rifle. h-4831 is a fine powder. Dupont and IMR 4831 were for all purposed the same, Hogden is slightly faster. You can still fill a 30-06 case with either and be safe with 168 to 180 gr loads. 190 to 220gr loads will probably be ok too, HOWEVER ALWAYS check AT LEAST 2 loading manuals for charges. Reloading is alot of fun but don't take chances and NEVER second guess a loading manual. PS never take a suggested load from another reloader without checking it in a manual. There are a lot of HOT loaders out there. Accuracy always comes with a more moderate load. Good hunting!!! Quint.

[petew]

"dont need no stinkin scoop or scale!!! "

Reloading without a scale is just asking for trouble,reloading for someone else is a bad practice, and if things go wrong in HIS RIFLE with your load , would the widdow care if you were friends when she drags your ass in court?
Invite him over to use your equipment and let him load his own .
Basic good practice is to always start at 2 to 3 grains below the max load in the books and check for pressure signs.What is safe in 1 rifle may not be in another.
Pete

[Hornseeker]

Well, if I made it sound like I was reckless and inexperienced at reloading, I came off a bit wrong. I've actually been loading off and on for about 20 years. I would never load a round without a consistent means of ensuring I was within about a grain of where I wanted to be. I ALWAYS start about 2-3 grains under max and work up. For example, to get my 06' load worked up I started with 57 grains of 4831, loaded rounds 1/2 grain at a time till I got to 60. They actually got better and better and showed no sign of pressure, so I then added 1/2 more grain (which was 1/2 grain over max rec.) and they shot about the same. I messed with my seat depth a bit and ended up getting my best accuracy with 59.5 grains...

The loads I've put together for my buddy are the same deal, ending at max. I'll have him start with the 57 grainers, then work up, checking cases as he goes.

Back IN "Da Day"... we used to load 44 shells with a little Lee hand press and a powder scoop...we'd be up camping, shoot a hundred rounds in the day, then load them up that night around camp and shootem up again the next day! You can definitely get some variation with a powder scoop like that!

LMAO...I was using my powder dump with this little H320 I think it was... little tiny ball powder. I got to this row in my shell rack and I put the powder in and I hear powder dumping and bouncing around...I couldn't figure out where the hell it was coming from, I thought my dump was leaking... well...turns out I had forgotten to prime that row of cartridges!!!

[petew]

I thought that you were heading for a bad situation, and nearly called you to ask if you were nuts.
Glad to hear better.
Those scoops were pretty inacurate, but they were also light on measure for safety.
As for over max, I never go over max. The big boys spend a lot of cash measuring pressures to determine what is safe. I have seen shooters with a mallet trying to beat a bolt open after loading over what the books say.

Play safe

Pete

[Hornseeker]

Yeah, but those guys wont publish anything that is even remotely CLOSE to being hairy... you know that... I am not promoting loading higher than max rec loads, but I have gone 1/2 grain over on several different loads and it has resulted in no bad signs... I wouldn't go over that.... well... unless I was shooting a ruger number 1 or something

[firecapt186]

I have shot nothing but hand loaded ammo out of all my rifles for the past 24 yrs. I load for 4 A-bolts, a Rem.700, Win. 70, TC Encore. The problem that I have with teh A-bolts is that you have to set your AOL to the magazine, or clip, and not the chamber. If your buddy has a rifle that doesn't have one, I'd suggest, if possible, get his rifle and set the AOL of the bullets to his chamber and see if it'll feed in the magazine. In my experiencea, once you resize a case with FL dies, it doesn't matter what gun it was fired from, the case is sized to the resizing die then. Now, for some reason, I musta wore out my 270 dies. My brass started seizing up in the die and I'd have to drill and thread the primer pockets and uesd a bolt to remove it. I bought new dies and haven't had any more issues with it.
I loaded the Barnes X bullet back in 96 for an elk hunt to Co. I found that it being an all copper bullet, it was a lot longer than the lead core bullets and, if memory serves me right, I had issues of getting it seated deep enough for my Win. 70 300 wim mag.

[Hornseeker]

Well, he called me today and sent me an email with pics of his targets... he's not a big time shooter...was laying on the ground with the gun resting on a pillow, at 80 yards he put 4/5 in a nickel, with one flyer... on both guns, the 7-08 and the 06".. his rifle didnt have any trouble chambering the rounds like mine did...???

Anyhow, he was tickled pink, said they were the best groups he'd ever shot!.

I'm Happy.